After the broadcast ends, the studio audience vanishes and Odette dismisses Lexis so she can speak privately with Carl and Donut. Odette praises Donut’s natural ability to charm viewers, contrasts her with another crawler, Lucia Mar, and then removes her mantis-like helmet and crab-bodied costume, revealing a legless, human-looking former crawler using a floating platform.

Odette explains that the grotesque outfit is based on the armor she wore when she reached the stairwell to the thirteenth floor, though she never descended because she made a deal. When Carl mentions Mordecai’s claim that only one man reached that floor and died, Odette clarifies her own status and reveals that she was Mordecai’s trainer long before his season. She asks Carl and Donut to tell Mordecai to seek her out after the crawl.

Odette warns Carl and Donut not to repeat the conversation in the dungeon because Borant and the kua-tin may object. She predicts their popularity will surge after the second floor and tells Donut not to change from a cute cat when offered race choices before the third floor, because viewers love Donut as she is. Odette says Carl has more flexibility but should listen carefully for Mordecai’s indirect guidance, since Mordecai cannot openly steer them.

Odette also confirms Carl’s suspicion that loot boxes are not truly random. Using her own lost legs as an example, Odette explains that sponsors and the dungeon AI may provide convenient items when survival creates better entertainment, but they may also hurt crawlers if doing so improves the show. Her lesson is that the crawl is a profit-driven spectacle, and Carl and Donut can ultimately count only on themselves.

Odette reveals Mordecai’s hidden stake: his indentureship season only counts if one of his crawlers reaches the fourth floor, and if Carl and Donut fail he may remain trapped for many more seasons, especially with Borant’s uncertain future. As Donut grows more playful, Odette admits the cat treats temporarily boosted Donut’s hidden wisdom and confidence stats for the interview. Carl asks Odette’s motive for helping them, and Odette answers plainly that her audience loves them, their survival makes her money, and money is what she loves most.