After Jane tells Madeline about Saxon Banks, Madeline is horrified and wants to protect Jane and punish the man who hurt her. Jane explains that she did not think to take the morning-after pill because she believed endometriosis would make pregnancy unlikely; by the time Jane realized she was pregnant, it was too late for an abortion. Jane also describes her grandfather’s death, her depression, leaving university, moving home, and sleeping for long stretches because being awake felt unbearable.

Madeline insists that Saxon assaulted and verbally abused Jane, but Jane minimizes the experience and tries to frame it as a bad sexual encounter for which Jane should accept some responsibility. Madeline rejects that interpretation and tells Jane not to blame herself. Jane then focuses on Saxon’s insults, especially being called a “fat ugly little girl,” and explains that those words damaged Jane more deeply than anything else Saxon did.

Jane shows Madeline an old photo in which Jane looks softer and happier, and the conversation turns into Jane’s angry analysis of beauty, shame, and women’s self-worth. Jane argues that Saxon’s judgment had power because women are taught that being unattractive is a form of failure. Jane says she lost weight unintentionally because Saxon’s insults changed the way Jane saw herself eating, leaving her with disordered feelings around food.

Jane also reveals that Saxon’s comment about her breath caused Jane’s gum obsession, even though a dentist has reassured Jane that her breath is fine. Jane says the shock of Saxon’s sudden change from charming to cruel made Jane distrust her own instincts. Despite everything, Jane does not regret the pregnancy because Ziggy felt separate from that night and brought Jane back to life when he was born.

Jane’s voice breaks as Jane admits that Ziggy’s resemblance to his father now frightens Jane at times. Amabella’s accusation that Ziggy choked her is especially disturbing because choking was part of Saxon’s assault, and Jane fears Ziggy may have inherited a hidden cruel streak. Madeline firmly denies this and reassures Jane that Ziggy is sweet and good.

As the evening ends, Madeline asks whether Jane will ever tell Ziggy his father’s name. Jane says perhaps when Ziggy is old enough to hear the full truth. Madeline jokingly offers to Google Saxon Banks and punish him, but Jane becomes serious and asks Madeline not to look him up. Madeline agrees, hugs Jane, and Jane responds with unusual warmth, thanking Madeline for bringing the cardboard for Ziggy’s project.